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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EL">Παρακολουθησα την ημεριδα απο το<span> </span></span>ipad<span lang="EL">.<span> <span> </span></span>Χαιρετιζω την προσπαθεια και συγχαρητηρια σε ολους<span> <span> </span></span>τους συντελεστες.<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EL">Ισως οι<span> </span></span>vendors<span lang="EL"><span> </span>θα μπορουσαν να συμμετεχουν και να υπστηριζουν εδω.<span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EL"><span> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">A few comments about the security discussion:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Let’s just say rfc 7454 is a good place to start.</span>
<br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><ol start="1" type="1" style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i>The RIPE community has documented that:<span> <span> </span></span>IPv4<span> <span> </span></span>prefixes longer than /24 and IPv6 prefixes longer than /48 are<span></span></i></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><i><span> <span> </span></span>generally neither announced nor accepted in the Internet</i><span> </span>and there is a best practice rfc supporting that view too:<span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-MsoHyperlink" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline"><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7454" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);text-decoration:underline">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7454</a></span><span> </span>which by the way also mentions the ttl security feature mentioned (of course the<span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">approach is applicable for the igp too but this is another discussion.)<span> </span><span lang="EN-GB"><span> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Further to that, it would be interesting to explore the opposite view<span> <span> </span></span>i.e why someone would be willing to start propagating<span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span>/25s and /26s? I don’t see a reason but there might be merits to that view.<span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><ol start="2" type="1" style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Bogon Ass should be filtered too:<span></span></li></ol><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB"><span> </span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">0<span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">23456<span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">64496 – 131071<span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">4200000000 – 4294967295<span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-GB">RFC5398, RFC6996, RFC7300<span></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><ol start="3" type="1" style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We don’t do full automation and we will never do simply because automation is not compatible with flexibility. The network is more complex than an application.<span></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The idea to write 250K lines of a prefix-list<span> <span> </span></span>is not rational. Simply doesn’t scale.<span></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">There are no customer obligations there are obligations of any internet citizen as stipulated by RIPE.<span></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The idea to outsource<span> <span> </span></span>filtering<span> <span> </span></span>to the provider is a pragmatic one<span> <span> </span></span>and<span> <span> </span></span>can be part of the managed services portfolio<span> <span> </span></span>offered for many years. The brave new world promises to lower<span></span></li></ol><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraph" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">barriers to market entry,<span> <span> </span></span>empowering the provider with<span> <span> </span></span>all these tasks.<span></span></p><ol start="7" type="1" style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">How many of you have supported/adopted rfc 7999 wouldn’t that make internet a better place?<span></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Also another aspect not mentioned but important is to encourage the use of public but non publicly routable address space in the interconnections.<span></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Regards,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">/nikos</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><br></span></p><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-07-11 0:37 GMT+01:00 Andreas Polyrakis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:apolyr@noc.grnet.gr" target="_blank">apolyr@noc.grnet.gr</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Καλησπέρα,</p>
<p>Στον απόηχο ενός πολύ πετυχημένου GRNOG7*, θα θέλαμε να σας
ενημερώσουμε πως στη <a href="https://www.grnog.gr/7th-meeting/" target="_blank">σελίδα της διοργάνωσης</a>
έχουν αναρτηθεί οι παρουσιάσεις, το βίντεο, φωτογραφίες και
γενικότερα το υλικό της συνάντησης.<br>
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<p>Θυμίζουμε πως η <a href="https://goo.gl/forms/0Q9Xcgnk060EG8Lz2" target="_blank">αξιολόγησή</a>
σας είναι σημαντική για την διατήρηση του υψηλού επιπέδου της
διοργάνωσης. Το link θα παραμείνει ενεργό για λίγες ημέρες ακόμα.<br>
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<p>Και πάλι σας ευχαριστούμε θερμά για την ενεργή συμμετοχή σας!<br>
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<p>Η επιτροπή του GRNOG,<br>
Κώστας Ζορμπαδέλος<br>
Μιχάλης Μπερσίμης<br>
Μιχάλης Οικονομάκος<br>
Ανδρέας Πολυράκης</p>
<p>* 111 εγγραφές, 11+2 παρουσιάσεις, ένα panel, με 3 ομιλητές να
ταξιδεύουν επί τούτου από το εξωτερικό και ένας από άλλη πόλη της
Ελλάδας, live streaming & recording -- και όλα αυτά σε ένα
υπέρχο χώρο!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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